Episode 21 - One Wild Life

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our band gunger was in new zealand and we were playing a show and we had a day off and so we took a beach day and we went to this black sand beach and it was really gorgeous there was this huge rock sticking out of the sand looked like a lion so i climbed up and the other band mates were doing other things swimming and walking around and i just kept climbing up this rock and it brought me pretty high above everybody else and i could just kind of watch them from up there and it gave me this perspective all of a sudden i could see everything it felt like the clouds billowing over the sand the waves coming in and out the dust swirling around people coming in and out of the water moving breathing laughing playing and it just like the whole thing looked like this giant breathing organism the all of it and there was like this giving and this taking this inhalation and this exhalation and i was overwhelmed by it and then i looked down on the beach and i saw lisa i saw my wife and she was just walking there and it all came together [Music] it's like this one giant hymn this grand symphony that we're all a part of we're all connected to and my god it is [Music] beautiful [Applause] [Music] [Music] welcome to the liturgist podcast today's episode won wildlife suddenly everything came into focus as i saw her taking a walk a tiny speck just a grain in the wind but oh how much great in the small the tiniest body containing the glory of heaven and angels and god i climbed down [Music] i'm so excited about today's podcast because because i've been working very hard for over a year with my wife and some other creative collaborators around me making an album actually that is the first of a trilogy of albums and it's based around a lot of the stories that you've heard on this podcast particularly lost and found some of the things that happened with our daughter and last year with social media and everything we wanted to share with you this album that just released one wild life uh soul it's the first of three soul spirit and body and wanted to give you some behind the scenes and some more material than just the music to be able to chew on some of this stuff because we really believe strongly in this album and are have a lot to say through it so we got an interesting episode some again behind the scenes stuff some conversation about some of the things we're trying to say with this album and also uh maybe even a couple of live performances in the studio so stick around it's going to be a good time hey guys welcome to literature's podcast we've taken a little hiatus after our last episode because we were kind of exhausted but we're all in atlanta georgia at our friend lanny donahoe's house after belong which is our first conference and some pretty awesome stuff went down at belong and one of the things that went down it belonged was we heard some music coming off of a new record from today's guests on the podcast gunger is it funny to be a host and a guest he's not a host for this show he's just a guest i'm just a guest it's a science mic takeover that was the joke science what's amazing and i was just talking to michael before hit record is this is the only second liturgist podcast lisa's been on which is really cool i try to keep her mostly like in the kitchen yeah you do need to be on here more you do need to be under more and the other i mean it's like go ahead oh go ahead because i mean it's two two young white guys that are doing this all i heard was young and it made me really feel nice i'm glad that was excellent [Laughter] that was like the best insult i've ever experienced it's like just two young sexy guys progressive you're so progressive so different than everybody else hey let's have guys do it let's have like white guy podcast that's like never been we're innovating done before we have beers i'm glad to be honest it's not obvious yet because we're celebrating belong we're at a party everybody's being quiet but it might not stay quiet we're at belong and all these people came to atlanta from all over the country and not even from other countries well i mean canada like u.s north texas and texas okay and so but all these people came and we realized something that i had no idea or conception about namely that there are people apparently a good number of people that listen to the show that have never heard of the band gunger like and because we're so weirdly anti-commercial and terrified of mentioning our work even the stuff we do as the liturgists we've never actually mentioned that ever on the show that michael and lisa write and record music occupationally like we've never even mentioned that this is the first time on the 21st episode we are like introducing michael to you so there's this amazing um new record that i've just heard it's called one wild life here's the thing that surprised me about the record michael so a jesus record huh is it a jesus record is jesus on there like i was listening to the chorus of probably my favorite cut on the album and it says the word christ i think that makes it a jesus record like and also jesus okay no i'm not gonna take that i've i refuse to accept this not a jesus record all right because it's like consistently there are themes about your journey involving your relationship with jesus that's true yeah there are other things though too well isn't it all this one in the same i mean it's all life are there any lines between like are you saying i should read our manifesto is that what you're doing and so the idea this is the first record of a three series three series record series of records it's a tr it's a record trilogy my beer is more empty it's a trilogy of albums they're all linked so it's one wild life the first one's soul the second one's going to be spirit the last one's going to be body okay now michael told me that earlier but how about this we were like running belong so i don't think i really paid attention so like i don't so they're literally like there's this much more music coming yeah again and then again yes yeah holy crap sometimes like we're really really excited about it but then there's other times like what are we do what are we doing we're really gonna have these three we have the first two the first one's done obviously the second one is pretty close the third one is you know it's in the in the works but actually when this podcast airs we will have just announced our trilogy of albums we kind of dropped it surprise beyonce style so the album is actually at first only available to those who are season past subscribers they get the music early before it hits all the other stores a few weeks later but yeah it's a lot of material coming out but we've been writing i mean you know our 2014 was pretty crazy for us so we i don't know we've been writing a lot i mean the writing is therapy for us and um as it is you know for writers and music writers and it's we have a we have a lot of stuff that we're wanting to say from things we feel like we've been we've been learning through all of this when we're together we are better together we are the day and night together we are stronger we are stronger [Music] so the most poignant of the 2014 songs to me is a song called light like weepy-weepy for me kind of knowing a little the backstory of that song oh man i hate to be so serious when we're drinking beers but um would you tell us a little bit about the story behind light last year we had a little girl so beautiful this child of ours oh my gosh she's so so beautiful and has like like any kid does taught us so much about life and that lucy was um we didn't know it when we were in the hospital or when i was pregnant and then even at the hospital but she had two heart defects and she was born with down syndrome that kind of hit us like a train and we really didn't know what was going to happen with her we didn't know if she would survive we didn't know we kind of spun out we didn't you know we thought gosh we're musicians we travel this is we kind of just thought like everything everything is over other things were happening for us that it just seemed like all of life was spinning so it was really really difficult but at the same time we've felt these incredible moments of love and of transcendence and this like this holy other in the room with us opening up this other side of life that we'd never experienced before and seeing all of life as beautiful seeing this little girl that we had no idea what was going to happen but just being fully there fully in love with her no matter what so he had written most of the song and the first time i heard it i was just wet because it's all about it's all about lucy it's all about what she's teaching us this gift of life um to see all of life is beautiful daddy writing about his his baby girl that's what the song is [Music] [Music] your heart was broken [Music] the words were spoken the tears came to [Music] as well [Music] the gift of life [Music] this whole record is pretty close to so much of our experience that that we've talked about how like pain gives rise to art on this program before and we've seen that very true in our music that the more and i think that it's actually a big part of the reason we're coming out with these three albums we just feel like the faucet is on and a large part of what why it's on is we experienced so much craziness and pain last year and there was so much life that that came flooding in through that escaping wounds so it was lucy it was our old church it was relationships and betrayal and family issues and friends that we had a friend that we loved our neighbor that died and all kinds of stuff this was just a crazy year so like it was like it was kind of like one thing would happen and we feel like we're just catching a breath and then yes it's like something else ken ham would write a blog now i just want to go on the record here and thank ken ham for the dramatic growth of our program early on bro you did us a solid anybody listening in anderson's genesis i'm pouring one out in your honor [Laughter] so so yes the idea of pain and art and how they are related um i think when you go through something a year like last year for us you have to uh like in order to keep getting out of bed you like have to find reasons to keep getting out of bed you know like so you have to like adjust your sight in some way and i think some people like regress into we've talked about this like spiral dynamics you go like to kind of an earlier stage of consciousness or like kind of backing up into you go a little animal or something or you can find ways of it propelling you forward into trying to see a bigger picture trying to see from a different perspective and that's what we tried to do with this pain is like how can we use this how can we let this pain form us into better people how can we let what we're going through how can we see better that's what we're writing about this whole album really to me the theme of this record is sight um and it's a it's soul spirit body and we don't say those things because we think those are like different things it's all one thing it's your your body your life but there are different ways different ways of looking at the same thing and soul to me when i think of soul when i think of human soul and what makes a human soul different from this kobe dog that's running around it's so cute and wonderful and soul-ish to me i think dogs are soulish um but there's something about the human soul that is related to how we see and engage with the world i think i like how we are able to uh see our kind of this self-awareness this ability to stand apart from creation apart from our instincts in some way like we can kind of self-reflect on this is what i feel like doing well this is what i think i should do this is what like it's more complicated you know the soul is about sight in some way to me so that's this whole record is how can you see when you're going through stuff that the natural response seems to be well let's just throw in the towel wallow in depression or just find some sort of coping mechanism maybe we can like step back for a second and try to see a bigger picture and see maybe that this is some sort of there's beauty in this somehow and lucy it was such an obvious thing you didn't have to step back very far like you just yes we lost the kid that we thought we were going to have we lost this idea of our two girls growing up doing certain things having unlimited possibilities which is bs anyway like what kid has unlimited possibilities really you know like everybody yeah everybody's limited by their own whatever circumstances dna everybody's got things to overcome but you know you have an idea of what down syndrome was not part of that vision and so you there's a loss of that but then when you step back and like look at her she's great and she's taught us to see better and that's that song you know um the blind gain sight as we met our light and it light lucy means light yeah and there's this moment that i don't know if i had told you about that in the coffee shop was that the moment we were talking and we started crying together it proved coffee i love mike so much he's like i felt i was gonna say something but i don't want you to take it the wrong way i mean it's gonna say like it's like your girlfriend but i feel like that's like a great girl oh man take that world but it's really sweet i mean it's wonderful it's not every day that you have a guy that can just like cry about your story so but amelie had come into the room to meet lucy and like michael said like i had totally unknowingly had all these ideas for what lucy's life was going to be totally met up and yeah like he said and as i've we've spoken with other parents they feel the same thing so at first i felt so incredibly guilty for feeling this loss i felt like a bad person a bad bad mother for feeling this loss but amelie is our four-year-old daughter at the time she was three and she comes over and she's she's holding lucy in the rocking chair and i'm kind of watching them and i didn't realize at the in the moment i was holding my breath feeling like emily doesn't know that her relationship with her is going to be different she doesn't know that lucy is different i said baby girl what are you thinking and she just goes i just thinking that she's exactly like i thought she was going to be ah [Laughter] it was so sweet it was so many moments in the hospital were some of the hands down the most beautiful moments of my whole life and you have these ideas of special needs and there's a thing last year that richard dawkins had said something to this he tweeted to this lady that uh she was saying she was worried about a down syndrome pregnancy or something and he said well you should abort it that's the only moral thing to do is to abort a fetus with down syndrome um and i think there's this perspective in people that life of some people with different special needs is just it's just nothing but suffering it's just nothing like they're not they don't have the full potential of human beings so their life is worth less in some way yeah i was over christmas i was listening to this i love on the on being podcast chris tippett oh my gosh she's awesome and she interviewed jean vanier he's his whole life's work is he lives among people with special needs and it's incredible and he tells the story i might get some of the details wrong that he's speaking with another man in his office and um there's a knock at the door and without them saying come in this this guy bursts into the room and is like laughing the whole time and comes over and gives sean vanier a huge hug and then hugs the guy that's like sitting in the chair and doesn't even stop laughing the whole time he's just so happy and then he leaves the room and the guy that's sitting there talking to jean monet just goes oh it's so sad that's just that's just sad isn't it like he doesn't know something to the effect that he doesn't know that he's different and it's sad and jean vanier says what's sad is that you are so sad and he like that you cannot see what beauty is lies in this person and how happy he is like he's so happy and his life is so full and amazing and you couldn't see you couldn't he couldn't he couldn't see that and so that that's like again this whole idea of like we have the choice to see or to not see this this beautiful thing that is right in front of us [Music] so i sent i set the record to mike for the last what a few days ago and he just won't even tell me about this i've refused to talk about the record okay now they're on the air i will tell you we're rolling you get my opinion on the news like i said on the record did you listen to it absolutely which i said for my apple watch that's why you got absolutely i was like well did you have any thoughts about it i'm not going to talk about it that's what you said i want to maintain the integrity of the program i appreciate it so that now you're here for the first time this is the first time we've talked about it first i'll talk about the record uh i was really surprised by this record really yeah deeply haley can attest to that because i'd i would listen i was like oh man here it goes here's the number one radio jam like we'll get back into some like gun weird because like you know like i'm the guy that like is like i am mountain on repeat you know what i mean like i'm that guy who doesn't know i i mountains our last album yes or less oh that's true i forget some of you have never heard um so okay it's the number one jam here we go it was the next tracker it's like man there's another number one jam this is crazy and there's like okay it's another number one like it's like a jam record like just a bunch of very nice of you danceable rock and roll crazes except one song am i am i which of course and i'm like yes because it's just it's like back in my wheelhouse our four-year-old daughter discovered meditation during the song am i i found her in her room by herself sitting next to the air conditioner vent with sitting cross-legged with her eyes closed and her hands and her hands like she goes oh mama this feels so good like i'm listening to this music and i close my eyes and i don't think about something but i just breathe deep like this and it feels so good i said wow she's the next buddha see you later so that's the that's the track i expected and like on every channel am i i was like there we go this is this is it this is like a like a audio portrayal of an actual experience i've had during apathetic worship where reality ceased to make any coherent sense and i was contemplating what is what is anything what yeah you know what i mean i was like yes like no one's ever done this in a record and then i heard this like well i also heard this very listenable song that references spiral dynamics it's the first spiral dynamic song i've ever heard in my life it's amazing but it's not like it's it's not like like uh beige purple red blue like it's just like what are you gonna but it's not like you basically do lost and found with spiral dynamics in the length of a song and it's incredible thank you and i've i i thought it was incredible but you know i have pretty weird musical tastes yeah sure so then today when you played it belong i realized no yeah this is legit incredible because people just all started weeping because it was what you did in that song is you told a story people are afraid to tell when the one lady said thanks for telling our story man that got me yeah oh the i'm sure you saw me down there doing the lisa gunger's girlfriend bit and just ugly crying oh man it was moving yeah that's this lady like with tears flowing down her face just said thank you for writing our story and it's this room full of belong people which are a bunch of you freaks out there that listen to the show that you know don't know what they believe about stuff or whatever brilliant people amazing people what a great week by the way that this has been and yeah well she said thanks for telling our story man it's hard to keep it together like i was like i should get you to tell the story of the song but it's kind of episode 16. yeah listen to lost and found it's like a really a really good telling instead we'll try something this is a little experimental don't know what's going to work we're going to try to record this song right now with strings and one of two things that's going to happen when i get done talking you're either going to hear that recording or something explodes and at this moment in time present me doesn't know what happened but future of me will listen along with [Music] you when i was born you were my breath [Music] you were my skin against your breasts [Music] you were my food you were my life [Music] it has always ever been [Music] you're 17 inches tall a painted smile across your face i pray for heaven pray for grace i keep [Music] it's always ever been you [Music] you were there as the world unfolded harsh affairs as the spiral paired the seams and the brand new colors gleam i could only think of you were there every broken heart and tangled care jesus savior lord and king oh my friend and everything was always only you i saw the writing on the wall [Music] you were a man and that was all there was no god in heaven above it was no perfect saving life it was always only ever me it was always only me [Music] so then my world was torn apart i felt a ground i felt a heart [Music] and all the universe was one just like a father's spirit sun my heart is open once again [Music] a distant love of forlorn friend maybe it's always ever been you if you are there as the world unfolds it's hard should affair as the spiral pairs the seams the holy haunts my dreams i will stay right here with you [Music] [Music] jesus teacher brahman light 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got wave files we are legit this has nothing to do with the record okay placebo uh actually oh gosh you almost got like a full science mic tirade rant on audio let's do it okay so here's the deal everybody thinks like lossless is better analog is better and then when you actually do blind studies double blind studies even audiophiles with trained ears can't tell the difference between a lossless wave file and a well-encoded kilobits mp3 file and in many cases can't tell the difference between those two and vinyl that's the data i'm just saying who's determining that these are audio files who's determining their audiophiles the scientists man how can they determine who's an audience i like how oh it's self-identification see the scientist he was absolutely not to trust the science scientists there's some people that the scientists tested listen it's not it's not us or them it's us for the scientists i'm not saying i don't even know if i can i've never done a test i bet you like our mastering engineer could yeah she hears the stuff she's like i'm removing these noises from this i'm like i don't know what noises you're talking about sounds like a challenge challenge shelly anderson we'll be back in a later episode wherein i challenge shelly to determine what which one is the weight oh my gosh that would be fun well our mix engineer i sent him mp3's high definition mp3s of the record he goes can i get waves because he was listening he's like i don't know i want the waves yeah but he saw the mp3 extension that's confirmation maybe but i'm just maybe maybe this is every conversation we have you're like no people can tell and i go that's confirmation bias [Laughter] back to your new record [Laughter] seriously though it's my favorite song on the record because you had a rough 2014 yeah it's sort of the angriest song on the record except it's angry about how much you love people do you know what i mean because you're like fine draw a line in the sand i'm still going to love and honor you you know what i mean and i think that really resonates with a lot of people because we have this weird thing especially in the church right now where one part of the church calls another part of the church not part of the church but then the exiled church does not return the fiber and they just go yeah i know you guys are christians you just hate us and this is like a very real dynamic sorry we're laughing it should say you said fiverr instead of favor the fiverr five of the lord it's fine confirmation bias regardless my point stands that you have part of the church that is almost exiled but that they still honor the faith tradition of those that reject them it's this weird asymmetry and i've thought this song in particular [Music] it encapsulated what i find most powerful and interesting about christianity about the idea of following jesus is no it is not us or them we are not going to fight a war uh we're not going to be defined by our opposition instead we're going to live lives of radical grace and um plus like there's this one part where i don't know what instrument it is i'm assuming it's some kind of synth where you're like like right on the beach those are horns yes oh yeah baby the horns have some effects on them or something or just because grass can go huge well it's horns and synth maybe i just felt like it was like i was back in the theater in inception just mostly it's yeah that's trombones that trombone like yeah overblown sounds cause it's like right on the right moment we're just like yeah except it's awesome kind of contemplating things but i'm also like yeah which is the whole gunga record like simultaneously like i kinda wanna dance but i kinda wanna sit and think about this like you never just go full like pop land never just like and that's that's actually what excited me the most about specifically introducing this music to the people that listen to this show because we've seen it belong what we've seen from your emails we write on the podcast there's a bunch of people a few hundred thousand really interested in christian spirituality specifically but really frustrated by the communal experience as possible and even like they don't really wanna they don't want to turn on local christian radio you know what i mean they want something more substantive and i feel like one wild life even this first volume goes so far even more than your prior work in advancing a conversation an experience about what it means today to care about jesus while still looking at life with beauty i mean it just blew me away um what was the thinking how did you get to us for them i and you know me with the bible [Laughter] i opened the bible to isaiah something what is it 40 something i don't know pastor betsy's in the room pastor betsy prepare the way of the lord where's that isaiah bible trivia what she's mainline she's not evangelical she doesn't know the bible if you knew the bible you know that women can't be preachers oh my god second sexist joke on them progressive white male i'm the progressive right now and you know i mean the bible it's got it's got great stuff and then there's so much of it it's just so crazy and the old testament doesn't get tapped into a lot in church music these days and maybe because it's like so we edit it down in church a lot of times you know we put it into these like safe family cliches like and you can only use a handful of verses from some of these books um because it's so much like you can't go a few verses without you know how majestic is thy name so lord tear their throats out it just gets dark real quick um and so there's all this like judgment language and stuff and um but then i think like when you look at that prepare the way of the lord and that like john bapti john the baptist says this right eventually so um and who is this lord that is being prepared for what the with the the vengeance and the judgment and it's like the lord in the christian story that this is referring to is like this little baby and this is this ferocious lord right that judges us that's bringing the judgment to the earth and his judgment he comes and we're these people are going to stone this woman for her immoral ways and he steps in front of the stones and he stands up for her and he eats with the religious people the weird religious people that drive him crazy and he eats with the tax collectors and he hangs out with the prostitute and and when she comes and hangs out with him people get embarrassed and mad and he stands up for her and so it's like this is the judgment that we've been preparing for this guy this judgment looks a lot like love right and so it was sort of an attempt to kind of redeem even for me but also for other people some of this language that where the story goes when you say like prepare the way of the lord and he's wielding a sword that sword is mercy he's coming with judgment yeah and that judgment is love and so it's kind of to redeem the language a little bit and to think about where the end of that is where does that go to and so it kind of helps me think of some of that language in a healthier way and actually kind of like appreciate the language then like that's kind of awesome because there is this ferocity and aggression towards darkness towards injustice in in a full love i think love um in some like evangelical circles gets reduced to the sentimentality um and yeah god god loves you but god also what do you mean but god also true love is ferocious it's like love stops at nothing to love including vanquishing the darkness including you know like it's a powerful thing so so it's kind of like taking the most violent language that i could find and turning it trying to think of it in those terms blew my mind thanks man you feel mercy like a sword that's amazing and so now we're going to do a game called schrodinger's music which means since i don't know if the song is going to be the studio version that we're that they recorded for the record or if it's gonna be the live version we're recording now for this moment this song is in superposition where it's both versions and only in a few moments will that wave probability collapse into an actual song will we kill the cat will we kill the cat that's what we're gonna find out when joel mixes this stuff down when the lines are drawn [Music] it is all alive all we ever really need is love there's no need to shed more blood look upon the cross look upon the cross shall we [Music] [Applause] is [Music] [Applause] there's no more guilt there's no more shame all the dark kissing [Music] see a kingdom comes to us [Music] is comes to us and his judgments is love this just [Music] we will not fight [Music] it's us for them it's us for them we reject thee either or can't define us anymore cause if it's us or them it's us for them it's us for them [Music] will be judgment comes to us and his judgment is love may our judgment be loved [Music] so one wild life how drunk are you i'm so drunk so i was just sitting here like i'm collecting i'm full beer late at night but the long pop it's not like you're really trying to gather yourself i literally was trying to gather myself and i had it and then you guys like how drunk are you so now i'm explaining how drunk i am one one wildlife i'll get you back one wild life yeah so what's really strange about the internet is we're recording this but then we're recording this and the record's not out by the time they hear this but by the time they hear this like you don't have to wait to get this record because by some quirk of recording equipment the record is out right now but outside of space-time dimensions that we experience maybe it's out right now anyway oh that is the most literal podcast way to talk about a new record that's possible but seriously the record's not out but when you're hearing from the human perception of space and time it's not out right now until you hear it and then it's out for some reference frames regardless you can go to liturgist.com podcast and there'll be a link we can go straight to the record i hope you've enjoyed the tracks you've heard there's a lot of other great songs we haven't talked about there's also a cover of like my favorite song in the world land of the living um that's one of your favorite songs i did not know oh my gosh yeah that's like my favorite he's the one that told me about that song oh my gosh that is the and they made it on lucy's i don't know what to do right now that's the that song like when people come when people talk about like this song that got them through something that is it for me so here's the only thing like it's my favorite song but like my experience with the song is like i travel and then i play it as i land in the tallahassee airport this is not near because it's so telling a story it's like we played it while our daughter was born and then we contemplated the changes in our life so like my land of living story is no longer very compelling it's not you shouldn't tell it i landed i'm coming home literally i am coming home i'm about to text my wife to tallahassee go buy the record everybody it's amazing it really is amazing it's fun i just can't believe how fun that record is there's some serious 80s jam happening on that record that i can't wait for the honey badger to hear she hasn't heard it yet because i was i literally i was like haley oh my gosh i even wrote a song for jenny so it's a record of everything we thought we were like in one genre finally yeah we seriously at the beginning we were we were going to limit the different genres but then it all and interestingly enough like we kind of thought at the beginning of this that this would be the most fun i thought until two days ago that we did limit this to the genre i don't know what album you made but that's crazy talk it is limited to one genre totally crazy and that genre is number one jams but it's funny yeah i feel like it's some of the songs are way more of tempo i mean there's more like tempo songs but yeah they're all like you said are they pretty uh contemplative and even even like moon moon song you're like oh yeah this is like for that like for me that's very like i wrote that because of the conversation that we had about the other side of the mattress for michael that's a love song to michael i mean i love that song it's very strange to hear that song to have been a part of that podcast and not made the connection however it's not very explicit i don't know i didn't write it because of the podcast but our story how we talk about like what do you do what do you do i'm saying but i didn't even make the connection with your stories yeah how we talked about what like what is what does love do you know i'm looking at jenny while i say this stuff because we're nodding at each other because we finally get to talk about this while we're in the room together which is ridiculous but jenny's been in the kitchen too not on the podcast like a proper woman works gonna take over i'm gonna get punched by the whole day yeah mike and i were like we gotta get more like non us people we do have wives that have good things to say yeah and also like i belong i literally made a public apology for the fact that the litter just was started by two white dudes it bothered me so much but we did we had two other women on the panel totally it was a great panel it was a great event we no we can't help that it's not our fault no okay well to be fair to be fair michael is part puerto rican so there you go i'm half puerto rican you see what we're doing is every door right here this is me opening a can of worms oh you guys can't see my emotions the hand motions he opened a can of what i thought was peanut butter and jelly i thought it was going to be peanut butter that'd be delicious and nutritious no this is a can of worms how is that not a can haley that's a jar a can you go oh that's like a like a can of soda hold on hold on you guys are all no you are you're wait that is a jar i literally just was about to make a compassion argument about the glass vessels that people can jellies and jams in and then i went wait that's literally a jar everybody calls those jars everything i was really just racking through my can inventory in my head by trying to remember the twist top [Laughter] i was really angry oh oh my gosh you know what guys that's a good record thanks man thank you you guys should check it out and i think that wraps up episode 21 what do you think hey let's tell them about belong that's a good idea los angeles and well london yeah both los angeles is coming up yeah we don't have a date for it yet nope we do have a date for london november 28th and if you want to know more about uh belong coming up if you want to know more about our community projects if you want to know more about this new gunga record on wildlife just go to the literatures.com podcast or facebook.com slash the liturgists or on twitter you can see at the litter just basically just type the liturgists anywhere on the internet and we'd be glad to hear more from you and with that said i'm science mike i'm michael gunger i'm lisa gunge thanks for listening [Music] everybody